[Lapg] Southern California version of this

steve williams steelheadwig at yahoo.com
Wed Nov 11 12:42:42 PST 2009


> 
> I challenge anyone to present an example of a lawn in SoCal
> that functions as a sustainable ecosystem.  Even if
> grazed, most grasses here require a huge input of precious
> H2O to make it thru the summer.  ...perhaps in
> Kentucky...?  ( ;  S
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Mon, 11/9/09, Dennis Pilien <dpilien98 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Dennis Pilien <dpilien98 at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Lapg] Southern California version of
> this
> > To: "Stephanie Rioux" <srioux at alum.calarts.edu>,
> lapg at arashi.com
> > Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 10:30 PM
> > Stephanie,
> > I agree with you. However, there are a few
> > institutions (and organizations) that dedicate their
> land
> > (not covered by human hardscape) to a more natural
> > environment that is not necessarily lawn or some
> equivalent.
> > So the transition evolves to the better...we hope. We
> are
> > doing each what we can as we move forward.
> > Towards sustainability,
> > Best,
> > Dennis
> > Is a lawn another name for a mini-grassland ecosystem
> in a
> > few places?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > From:
> > Stephanie Rioux <srioux at alum.calarts.edu>
> > To:
> > lapg at arashi.com
> > Sent: Mon,
> > November 9, 2009 8:32:17 PM
> > Subject: Re:
> > [Lapg] Southern California version of this
> > 
> > 
> > Another consideration regarding higher education and
> > permaculture is that, whether a college or university
> offers
> > a permaculture- or sustainability-oriented program or
> not,
> > college and university campuses represent tremendous
> land
> > wealth, most of it presently dedicated to vast
> > lawns. 
> > 
> > 
> > Interested students, community members, faculty, and
> > administration could initiate programs together; while
> there
> > is great bureaucracy to wend through, there is also
> great
> > potential to be unlocked.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Nov 4, 2009, at 9:18 PM, Jodi Levine
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Along that line, Earthroots Field
> > School will be hiring new instructors & looking
> for
> > interns in 2010 for our field programs with children.
> Let me
> > know if you are interested in sharing this vision!
> > 
> > 
> > www.earthrootsfieldschool.org
> > 
> > 
> > Jodi
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 8:46 PM,
> > Dennis Pilien <dpilien98 at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Practically speaking, get as much formal education as
> > you think you need. Graduate. Stop. Get a job
> (informal or
> > not, paid or not) and do what you love doing.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > From: Rashid
> > G. <rashidreza at gmail.com>
> > To: Dennis
> > Pilien <dpilien98 at yahoo.com>
> > Cc: crsp at igc.org; cityrepairla at lists.riseup.net;
> > Lora Hall <gardengrl at gmail.com>;
> > Ray Cruz <ray.cruz at ergonica.com>;
> lapg at arashi.com
> > Sent: Wed,
> > November 4, 2009 1:31:53 AM
> > Subject: Re:
> > [Lapg] Southern California version of this
> > 
> > Great info
> > thanks ladies and gents 
> > 
> > thought I should add that I just learned today that
> > California State University Stanislaus 
> > is offering a B.A. in "Agricultural Studies with a
> > concentration in Permaculture"
> > 
> > I was amazed to do a state wide search (assist.org)
> of
> > the UC an CSU system 
> > and see the word permaculture actually come up under
> a
> > title for a major.
> > I almost didnt even bother to include that word in my
> > searches
> > its the only one that came up in my search
> > 
> > heres the CSUS
> >  specific website for the major
> > http://www.csustan.edu/AGStudies/Permaculture_conc.htm
> > 
> > I REALLY wish something like this was offered here
> > in So Cal
> > I have my liberal studies AA and...
> > I'm trying to figure out if there is some viable
> > program I can transfer into next year for an
> undergraduate
> > degree that is not too heavily major prep intensive
> (as in-
> > not spending too much more time at the community
> college
> > level before getting into such an undergraduate
> program). 
> > 
> > I really resonate with what Lois said about "those
> > interested in deep and rapid change not spend too much
> time
> > in traditional academic programs..."
> > But a traditional academics program is attractive
> because
> > of the wider support system it provides, the main
> attraction
> > of that support system for me would be the state and
> > federally subsidized monetary support.
> > But I
> >  keep thinking of the fact, that the rapidly
> emerging,
> > revolutionary paradigms in all fields of study related
> to
> > permaculture and sustianable building/design will be
> > seriously under-represented in most institutions.
> > I keep thinking... How much time will I waste
> learning
> > things that I wont use?
> > 
> > I guess I'm trying to straddle both worlds.
> > To learn and and make use of whats worthy and
> efficient
> > from the old and marry it with whats emerging from
> the
> > fringe.
> > 
> > Its been kind of a riddle for me so far to try and
> figure
> > out how to navigate these choices, especially because
> I dont
> > have very much training in anything related to
> permaculture
> > or sustainable building/design, and theres so many
> different
> > combinations of the old world trainings to marry in
> with the
> > emerging paradigms.
> > 
> > Some of the ideas for pursuits, I've been tossing
> > around are:
> > Architecture B.A. ( SCI-Arc in LA)
> > Construction Engineering Management B.S. ( CSU Long
> Beach
> >  )
> > Construction Engineering Technology B.S. ( Cal Poly
> Pomona
> > )
> > Landscape Architecture B.S. ( Cal Poly Pomona )
> > Engineering Technology B.S. w/ Environmental
> Technology
> > option ( CSU Long Beach )
> > 
> > and OFCOURSE I am considering Gaia University and
> > will start doing more research on them in the coming
> days
> > 
> > anyway sorry to make it so long winded
> > any words of wisdom or advice would be
> appreiciated...
> > 
> > Love and Gratitude
> > R
> > 
> > PS. Cal Poly Pomona is offering a Master of Science
> degree
> > in Regenerative Studies
> > http://www.csupomona.edu/~crs/graduate.html
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:10 AM,
> > Dennis Pilien <dpilien98 at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Great response to help many folks...
> > D
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > From: Lois
> > Arkin <crsp at igc.org>
> > To: cityrepairla at lists.riseup.net;
> > Lora Hall <gardengrl at gmail.com>
> > Cc: Dennis
> > Pilien <dpilien98 at yahoo.com>;
> > Ray Cruz <ray.cruz at ergonica.com>;
> > lapg at arashi.com
> > Sent: Mon,
> > November 2, 2009 10:00:56 AM
> > Subject:
> > Southern California version of this
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I would encourage people interested in higher
> education
> > credentials to check out Gaia University
> <www.gaiauniversity.org>
> > where one can design one's own
> > "action-learning" program/curriculum, select
> > one's own mentor instructors, do one's academic work
> > in place and more in alignment with the rhythms of
> nature,
> > as appropriate; pay a radically reduced fee compared
> to the
> > UCs or other private universities, and get the
> accredited
> > degree of your choice/accomplishment(BA, MA, PhD).
> > 
> > Perhaps it is worth stressing, also, that those
> interested
> > in deep and rapid change not spend too much time in
> > traditional academic programs which tend, imo, to
> trail
> > considerably the advanced work on-the-ground in
> ecovillages,
> > some intentional communities  and nonprofit
> > organizations committed to manifesting and publicly
> > demonstrating the necessary and integrated
> > changes/transitions:
> >  socially, economically and ecologically.
> > 
> > If you are interested in talking with other students
> in the
> > program, I believe there may be a few on these
> listserves
> > and/or contact Gaia University.  If there is a group
> of
> > you that want to consider starting a GU Regional
> Center in
> > LA and want to use the resources of the CRSP Institute
> for
> > Urban Ecovillage for doing that, please begin to
> organize
> > yourselves, and let the dialog begin.
> > 
> > Of course this type of program is not for everyone,
> and
> > will not necessarily serve all the purposes some
> strive for
> > in their higher education goals, but for people who do
> want
> > to make a difference rapidly and deeply, are clear in
> their
> > academic goals, and have a lot of self-starter
> initiative,
> > are capable of earning while learning or have socked
> away
> > enough money to subsist on for awhile, this is
> something to
> > consider.
> > 
> > Best to all,
> > Lois Arkin
> > CRSP Institute for Urban Ecovillages at
> >   L.A.
> >  Eco-Village
> > www.laecovillage.org
> > 
> > 
> > Lora Hall wrote:
> > > Cal Poly Pomona also offers the M.S. in
> Regenerative
> > Studies. I just finished in June. Supposedly the
> program
> > goes beyond sustainability and teaches you about
> > regenerative systems. I can't say it was a great
> > program- a big disappointment compared to my
> experience at a
> > UC. I had to teach myself a lot of what I wanted to
> learn.
> > But I do think they are trying to make it better. So
> if
> > someone is looking to do a graduate degree without
> leaving
> > so Cal, it is an option.
> > > -Lora
> > > 
> > > On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Dennis Pilien
> <dpilien98 at yahoo.com
> > <mailto:dpilien98 at yahoo.com>>
> >  wrote:
> > > 
> > >    Ray,
> > >    Thanks for the information. It is pretty
> > interesting. It is also
> > >    interesting how many look upon a PhD as
> > an extreme specialist in a
> > >    broad area of study. Isn't a PhD, in
> > say, Environmental Science, the
> > >    specialized study of something general?
> > Codetalk?
> > >    Dennis
> > > 
> > >   
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >    *From:* Ray Cruz <ray.cruz at ergonica.com
> > <mailto:ray.cruz at ergonica.com>>
> > >    *To:* cityrepairla at lists.riseup.net
> > >    <mailto:cityrepairla at lists.riseup.net>;
> > Dennis Pilien
> > >    <dpilien98 at yahoo.com
> > <mailto:dpilien98 at yahoo.com>>
> > >    *Sent:* Sun, November 1, 2009 10:51:50
> > AM
> > >    *Subject:* RE: [cityrepairla] Southern
> > California version of this
> > > 
> > >    UCLA offers a B.S. in Environmental
> > Science and also a minor program
> > >    - much
> > >    to do with sustainability through the
> > Institute of the Environment.   
> >  Lower
> > >    and Upper Division Course Listings can be
> > viewed here:
> > > 
> > >    http://www.ioe.ucla.edu/academics/article.asp?parentid=420
> > > 
> > >    Leaders in Sustainability Graduate
> > Certificate Program:
> > >    This program provides a mechanism for
> > graduate students at UCLA to
> > >    pursue
> > >    their interests in sustainability and
> > collaborate with students from
> > >    different fields.
> > > 
> > >    http://www.ioe.ucla.edu/lis/
> > > 
> > >    I'm sure other UC and CSU colleges
> > offer similar courses and degrees,
> > >    possibly the Ph.D.?
> > > 
> > >    Ray Cruz
> > > 
> > > 
> > >    -----Original
> >  Message-----
> > >    From: cityrepairla-owner at lists.riseup.net
> > >    <mailto:cityrepairla-owner at lists.riseup.net>
> > >    [mailto:cityrepairla-owner at lists.riseup.net
> > >    <mailto:cityrepairla-owner at lists.riseup.net>]
> > On Behalf Of Dennis Pilien
> > >    Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 2:15 PM
> > >    To: lapg at arashi.com
> > <mailto:lapg at arashi.com>;
> > City Repair LA
> > >    Subject: [cityrepairla] Southern
> > California version of this
> > > 
> > >    LAPG and City Repair Folks:
> > >    Is there one like this or its equivalent
> > in the L.A. area? Where or
> > >    why not?
> > >    Maine is nice, but far away. california
> > is nice and a lot closer
> > >    (permaculture)...
> > >    Towards sustainability,
> > >    DP
> > >    Maine's Sustainability Solutions
> > Initiative (SSI), a partnership
> > >    between the
> > >    University of Maine and the University of
> > Southern Maine, offers
> > >    unprecedented opportunities for
> >  graduate students to experience a truly
> > >    interdisciplinary learning experience
> > through a $20 million, 5-year
> > >    program
> > >    funded by the National Science
> > Foundation's EPSCoR program. The SSI's
> > >    mission is to create an integrative
> > research program and strong
> > >    stakeholder
> > >    partnerships to generate improved
> > solutions to intersecting ecological,
> > >    social, and economic challenges in and
> > beyond Maine. Graduate
> > >    students will
> > >    participate in collaborative research
> > experiences with interdisciplinary
> > >    faculty teams focused on urbanization,
> > forest ecosystem management, and
> > >    climate change.  These efforts
> > address the dynamics of social-ecological
> > >    systems with an emphasis on moving from
> > knowledge to action.
> > >   
> >  Students with
> > >    backgrounds in a wide range of
> > disciplines are encouraged to apply: e.g.
> > >    social sciences, biological, earth, and
> > chemical sciences, natural
> > >    resource
> > >    management, communication, engineering,
> > education, mathematics, and
> > >    more.
> > > 
> > >    Up to 25 Ph.D. fellowships will be
> > awarded at the University of
> > >    Maine with a
> > >    substantial portion of these beginning in
> > fall 2010. Each fellowship
> > >    will
> > >    include a stipend of $20-25,000/ yr for
> > up to five years, a tuition
> > >    waiver,
> > >    subsidy for health insurance, and some
> > funds to support thesis research.
> > >    Masters degrees opportunities will be
> > offered at the University of
> > >    Southern
> > >    Maine.
> > > 
> > > 
> >    For more information on SSI and fellowship
> > applications, visit
> > >    www.umaine.edu/sustainabilitysolutions
> > >    <http://www.umaine.edu/sustainabilitysolutions>
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -- Lora May Hall
> > > 
> > > (323) 533-3235
> > > 
> > > 
> > >
> >
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> > Jodi Levine
> > Earthroots Field School
> > www.earthrootsfieldschool.org
> > 949-400-3340
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